tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post8251096899314920044..comments2023-05-27T17:43:37.593-07:00Comments on Tree of Life: A good WTF and a bad WTFKeredriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03207180365848283163noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-24699434386663046592009-12-05T12:09:17.525-08:002009-12-05T12:09:17.525-08:00How have your members reacted to the all-female at...How have your members reacted to the all-female atmosphere?<br /><br />What people say about our guild are:<br />4. "Teen boys cause all the drama."<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />This is what I have personally against DOTA. Stereotyping is NOT cool by anyone. Just because some stereotype against you, does not mean that you have the right to do the same to them. (top part can be found at http://www.wow.com/2009/12/01/15-minutes-of-fame-amazon-grace-how-sweet-these-guilds/<br />)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-46926320386994022422009-11-27T08:19:24.722-08:002009-11-27T08:19:24.722-08:00Ok so I was wondering where these late comments we...Ok so I was wondering where these late comments were coming from... didn't realize Critical QQ had linked to it.<br /><br />I stick by my original assertion that there is a difference between guilds like NGA and DOTA. Tamarind was only one of many commenters who also felt this way.<br /><br />@Dr Anon and Mangrove: Yay Aussies! :)Keredriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03207180365848283163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-82809546642032560922009-11-26T03:04:17.337-08:002009-11-26T03:04:17.337-08:00I another who found your post through critical QQ
...I another who found your post through critical QQ<br /><br />Women create drama. Men create drama. I'm an officer in Australian guild who has only seen one major piece of drama unfold -- it was by a male directed towards the other males in the guild. Us girlies aren't the only ones who have the ability to cause drama.<br /><br />We have an extremely balanced guild of males and females. The sexual innuendo flows from both sides.... the difference is we're mature enough to let it all flow in general chatter.<br /><br />The people who don't have the maturity (whether it be men or women) to be able to handle this without screwing up their raid functionality will probably have issues no matter who they exclude from their guild to "fix the problem".<br /><br />Personally any guild (whether it be male or female) who excludes the opposite sex just makes things worse.<br /><br />...and in regards to the "good" wtf of this blog, this is coming from a player who works in management for a lead genetics facility in Melbourne.Mangrovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-623680505415596272009-11-24T11:01:13.365-08:002009-11-24T11:01:13.365-08:00Wow, looks like im kinda late to this party, but f...Wow, looks like im kinda late to this party, but for what its worth, here's my take on this...<br /><br /> I find the idea of exculding a certain player-base on the assumption that they are "sub-average" or "below-par" to be ammusing and self defeating beyond belief. <br /> <br /> However, without wishing to simgle anyone out i find tamarinds statement that "i do believe there is a difference" between a guild that accepts only females on the basis that it creates an environment that is "free of this bull***t" to be equally narrow-minded and offensive.Daoinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-54866018401367644302009-11-23T21:05:47.818-08:002009-11-23T21:05:47.818-08:00Can't believe that a guild would exclude femal...Can't believe that a guild would exclude female members! I am a male, but I live and play very happily in a guild run by a woman with quite a few female officers.<br /><br />Oh, and as to taking over institutions all over the world, this would be being posted from the IP of a major transplant hospital in Melbourne, Australia, except that they block access to "games". It really annoys me that I can't read about my hobby on down-time between cases or during night shift, but my colleagues who follow sport or practice underwater basket weaving can check all the blogs and news sites they like about their hobbies. Hmm - that wasn't meant to turn into a rant. SorryDr Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02520159788294934823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-49416771512720160232009-11-23T13:57:47.129-08:002009-11-23T13:57:47.129-08:00I found this post from a link through critical QQ,...I found this post from a link through critical QQ, sorry for the necro.<br /><br />"Here is what I see as the difference. Dota and Doth seems to be centered on sisterhood and girls playing together... guilds like this seem to have the feeling of overtly excluding women. To me there is a difference."<br /><br />There are good and bad female wow players. There are good and bad male wow players. NGA states they will not allow females to join. DOTA pushes the message of females playing together. BOTH are excluding membership based on gender. The intent may be different, but both these guilds exclude people based on gender, so you cannot handwave away DOTA as being different.<br /><br />Sexism is is the belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to, less competent, or less valuable than the other. So, NGA might be a sexist guild and DOTA might be a non-sexist guild (it is quite difficult to exactly know someones true beliefs). However, since both guilds exclude members based on gender, both are practising sexual discrimination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-85100629425316064552009-11-09T13:26:12.985-08:002009-11-09T13:26:12.985-08:00@Snottydin: OMG! Snottydin commented on my blog! N...@Snottydin: OMG! Snottydin commented on my blog! Now my heals will be even leeter! I will solo heal heroic TOC! Thanks Snottydin! lol lol lol :) :) :)Keredriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03207180365848283163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-53512433708856792212009-11-05T15:34:26.998-08:002009-11-05T15:34:26.998-08:00Lol, that anon guy is so right! Keredria is total...Lol, that anon guy is so right! Keredria is totally the sort of girl they wouldn't want. I mean, she doesn't blush or flirt with the boys to make them feel better about themselves or anything. I bet if they met me they'd totally change their policy. I can solo-heal just about anything. *shy smile*Tamarindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08950515559277267850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-70759344565394579682009-11-05T15:31:46.517-08:002009-11-05T15:31:46.517-08:00I am late to the controversy party! Alas! It pro...I am late to the controversy party! Alas! It probably goes without saying that I agree with you - and I do believe there's a genuine difference between female only guilds and male only guilds. First of all, I can completely understand why female gamers would want a safe space from all this *fucking bullshit* but as the dominant group, and the priviledged one, male gamers have no right to protest that they are justified in perpuating the very behaviours that make gaming such an unequal space.<br /><br />And on other a note, I am hopping mad that some pustulent wanktard of an anonymous commenter has come to your blog and dared to, well, yes, accuse you of being Snottydin. I'm glad that you're amused, and, on one level, yes, it is kind of amusing in the sense of being a judgement so patently unfounded it's ludicrous but ... my mind is totally boggled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-36799564379525391032009-11-05T01:16:01.087-08:002009-11-05T01:16:01.087-08:00Answer No. 4 is Correct.
XX players Distract XY p...Answer No. 4 is Correct.<br /><br />XX players Distract XY players when they speak.Flawllessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-52487139076338095012009-11-04T14:33:34.889-08:002009-11-04T14:33:34.889-08:00@Kadomi: Thanks! Your perspective as an officer of...@Kadomi: Thanks! Your perspective as an officer of DotH is definitely interesting. <br /><br />@Wutsie: You know me Wut, always causing trouble. But me? Cajones? ;)Keredriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03207180365848283163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-84980110740335688722009-11-04T12:32:59.425-08:002009-11-04T12:32:59.425-08:00Ahh K. You are stirring up another hornet's n...Ahh K. You are stirring up another hornet's nest eh??? Thank you, it made my lunch hour much more entertaining.<br /><br />NCA is a stupid name. The assumption that females cannot play WOW effectively is an ill informed view that probably masks issues of personal/ego insecurity (notorious in males...there is my stereotype ;>} ). Regardless, I think they have the right to it. At the same time, they should expect to be called out on it given that it's such a ridiculous name and premise for a guild.<br /><br />And a comment for all of you Anons....You nutless wonders, ball up to your opinions. K may be a female, but at least puts her cajones out there when she posts.Wutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-324968203476305382009-11-04T07:50:44.768-08:002009-11-04T07:50:44.768-08:00Very interesting discussion.
For the record, I a...Very interesting discussion. <br /><br />For the record, I am one of the officers and the raid leader of DotH, one of the two females-only guilds that were mentioned by Grimmtooth initially. I think NCA's name is stupid, but of course it's their prerogative what kind of guild members they allow. <br /><br />It just boggles my mind that it's because females are subpar players. I can understand the drama argument, when genders collide it can get awkward. In DotH, we have very very little drama, so if hardcore guilds complain about girls bringing drama, I think hormones on both sides are to blame. :P<br /><br />I know plenty failwhale male players, I know plenty fantastic female players. To categorize girls as lesser players is unfair and not based on reality. It just means they lack the patience to run girls through their trial sieve.Kadomihttp://www.tanklikeagirl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-78817315526628133232009-11-04T06:29:13.418-08:002009-11-04T06:29:13.418-08:00@Adeanna: Aw, thanks.
@Bell: Thanks Bell! Many gr...@Adeanna: Aw, thanks.<br /><br />@Bell: Thanks Bell! Many great points, but you're totally right that to have a debate, you have to have the possibility of change.Keredriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03207180365848283163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-74865792559570997182009-11-03T16:38:19.072-08:002009-11-03T16:38:19.072-08:00This has been an interesting read, to say the leas...This has been an interesting read, to say the least.<br /><br />When I found out about NCA, yeah, I was a little annoyed. But I figured that if part of their reasoning was "half the raid would be hitting on the girls" then I wouldn't want to be in a raid like that anyway, and the only girls who <i>would</i> are the ones included in their other half of the reasoning, the attention-seeking dramatics. I've personally been on the receiving end of such attention, and it's annoying as hell when I'm trying to give strategies or explain assignments.<br /><br />The sad thing is, they possibly could have met some very good girl players, but they would never know. I certainly don't announce my gender to the WoW community at large (hell, most of the time I'm referred to as "dude" or "man" or "guy" by pugs and the only correction they receive is from other people), and unless I'm in a vent of majorly friends or I'm leading a raid, I don't speak. I even have a bunch of male characters (love my Tauren and Undead).<br /><br />It's a shame their solution is to exclude the potentially innocent person being targetted by the drama rather than those who create the situations. That's probably the underlying issue here; not that girls aren't allowed, but rather because some guys won't mature and some girls don't know when to stop flirting and DPS.<br /><br />Did make me laugh a bit to see some of them getting all hot and bothered over a simple blog post. I'm not quite sure who's trying to convince who of what, but I do know that neither side is really going to be convinced of anything. The debate is going on too long, and it's not really even a debate; you have to have the possibility of change for a real debate to occur. It's just people firmly entrenched on "their side" trying to convince someone they're wrong.<br /><br />I'm glad you've written this, K, and I'm glad you're not letting anyone push you around about what you can or cannot write or how you can or cannot feel about this.Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13850946760618331779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-40537773441258132812009-11-03T14:03:57.985-08:002009-11-03T14:03:57.985-08:00keredria,
i /tree-applaud you for taking a stance...keredria,<br /><br />i /tree-applaud you for taking a stance and speaking your opinion on what is a narrow-minded and discriminatory guild policy.<br /><br />keep up the great blog!Adeannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-36950909049034553802009-11-03T13:35:05.800-08:002009-11-03T13:35:05.800-08:00@ Apparati:
Keredria is a good friend. Your'...@ Apparati:<br /><br />Keredria is a good friend. Your're nothing. Blow.Nicolausenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-8105661729329936862009-11-03T12:57:15.813-08:002009-11-03T12:57:15.813-08:00@Beru: I do feel bad that I singled out NCA as a g...@Beru: I do feel bad that I singled out NCA as a guild on this post. That was not my intention. I just happened to see that guild recruitment page and just instinctively blogged about it. In retrospect I probably should have talked in more general terms because there are a number of other guilds who run themselves the same way.<br /><br />I love Tam's last comment on that post of yours that said that we should just all be trees. That Tam cracks me up. <br /><br />Speaking of Tamarind, I amuse myself by the fact that I've been described as a Snottydin of sorts on this comment thread. lol lol lol! girl irl! :):):):):)<br /><br />The sarcasm... I haz it.Keredriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03207180365848283163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-74667780408499834212009-11-03T11:50:39.268-08:002009-11-03T11:50:39.268-08:00Well, so many of my thoughts here were somewhat an...Well, so many of my thoughts here were somewhat angry from the way some of posters were treating you on YOUR BLOG...I mean how dare you post YOUR thoughts on YOUR BLOG, right?!?!<br /><br />The level of rudeness made me fairly hot under the collar...and sometimes when I'm mad I find it best to just bite my tounge =)<br /><br />However...I did a post related to this back in June where I dealt with the issue of discriminating guild membership based on age and gender. If you want to get a bit of a feel for where I stand, you can find it here: http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/this-guild-has-been-rated-nc-17/<br /><br />The post is old...so if anyone gets it in their mind to troll it, it's likely that there will not be any response from me...so don't waste your time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-50029428478578146962009-11-03T11:35:27.144-08:002009-11-03T11:35:27.144-08:00Sigh I'm not sure why I continue... but alas.....Sigh I'm not sure why I continue... but alas...<br /><br />@Rickyho: I did not respond to Gaffer's first comment because it was just a sarcastic joke. I did refer to what he said in his second comment in subsequent comments of mine by quoting specific lines, thinking he'd comment back.<br /><br />But I'm so sorry Gaffer has felt left out. <br /><br />So @Gaffer: tell me this. Without females, you've never ever had guild drama right? Because only females cause drama right? <br /><br />@Hinenuitepo: Forums type drama... lol. Sigh but lol.<br /><br />@Beru: I was definitely interested in hearing what you thought about this as a top raider yourself. But yeah... you start putting down thoughts/comments and you start spinning in circles. And nooooo! Don't keeeelll meeee!<br /><br />@Rappie: You're right, of course these guilds have a right to exist. I guess I called such guilds out on their policies because well I am a troublemaker. /sighKeredriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03207180365848283163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-86107674260944680052009-11-03T11:25:04.208-08:002009-11-03T11:25:04.208-08:00One of my favorite quotes of all time came from a ...One of my favorite quotes of all time came from a highly intellegent woman, and is still highly relevant today. I find it is also pertinent to some of the nasty comments left for K in this thread:<br /><br />"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." ~Eleanor Roosevelt<br /><br />If you truly want your thoughts and opinions to be heard, you should present them in a way worth hearing. Something to think about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-2276240264386597242009-11-03T10:44:20.438-08:002009-11-03T10:44:20.438-08:00Hi K! For those of you who do not know K, she is a...Hi K! For those of you who do not know K, she is a very smart, funny woman who is also an excellent WoW player. The best tree I know! I do not appreciate how she has been talked to or treated here. <br /><br />I think that the guild we are talking about and others like it are ridiculous, but I also think they have a right to exist. I am a woman who plays WoW, and I know I can play just as well as anyone in these guilds. And as a matter of fact, I know many top guilds who are full of women. There are good and bad players and it isn't based on whether or not you have a penis. I do think you should be comfortable in your guild, and if these men are more comfortable without women then thats fine, really too bad for them, but fine. <br /><br />I think its best to agree to disagree here, I'm not sure anything can be solved when words like bitch start getting used. I think the guild has spoken for itself by concerning themselves with this blog and trash talking someone, and someones friends for having a different opinion.<br /><br />/hug KRapindihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04717167531990858396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-62321128314440940352009-11-03T10:18:51.176-08:002009-11-03T10:18:51.176-08:00"All stereotypes are bad."
HA"All stereotypes are bad."<br /><br />HARickyhonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-89923686473530045902009-11-03T09:37:30.086-08:002009-11-03T09:37:30.086-08:00this blog is just epic +rep plz post pics though ...this blog is just epic +rep plz post pics though because im kind of excited by you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5601885929616016080.post-59506595201959028612009-11-03T08:40:35.353-08:002009-11-03T08:40:35.353-08:00*sigh*
I started typing out a lot of things. Del...*sigh*<br /><br />I started typing out a lot of things. Deleted them. Typed out more.<br /><br />I am actually just a bit flabbergasted...so I guess I'll just say this:<br /><br />Stereotypes are bad. All stereotypes are bad. And there will always be exceptions to the rule.<br /><br />Oh...and I'm one of your viewers that comes from one of those places you linked! I'd tell you where...but then I'd have to KEEELLLL YOU! ;-)<br /><br />Keep your head high K!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com